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Yeah, families ARE important, despite what scriptures say

February 13, 2011

The theme for Sharing Time in Primary today is “Families are central to Heavenly Father’s Plan.

Are families important? Absolutely. Do I value my value my family of origin and my family of procreation? No doubt.

But what about Heavenly Father’s plan? What is God’s plan for families?

  • An uncircumcised boy is to be abandoned by his parents and community (Gen 17:14).
  • Lot refuses to give up his angels to the perverted mob, offering his two “virgin daughters” instead. He tells the bunch of angel rapers to “do unto them [his daughters] as is good in your eyes.” This is the same man that is called “just” and “righteous” in 2 Peter 2:7-8 (Gen. 19:8).
  • Lot’s nameless wife looks back, and God turns her into a pillar of salt (Gen. 19:26).
  • God threatens to kill the Pharaoh’s firstborn son (Ex. 4:23).
  • God tells Moses that he intends to “smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast” (Ex. 12:12).
  • After God has sufficiently hardened the Pharaoh’s heart, he kills all the firstborn Egyptian children. When he was finished “there was not a house where there was not one dead” (Ex. 12:29).
  • God says it’s okay for slave owners to split up slave families (Ex. 21:4).
  • How to sell your daughter – and what to do if she fails to please her new master (Ex. 21:7-8).
  • A child who hits or curses his parents must be executed (Ex.  21:15, 17).
  • “For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall surely be put to death” (Lev. 20:9). Couldn’t we try time out first?
  • God killed all the Egyptian firstborn (Lev. 33:4).
  • If you have a “stubborn and rebellious son,” then you and the other men in your neighborhood “shall stone him with stones that he die” (Lev. 21:18-21).
  • God gave the wives of king Saul to David (Deut. 12:7-8).
  • After Bathsheba’s baby is killed by God, David comforts her by going “in unto her.” She conceives and bears Solomon (Deut. 12:24).
  • To appease God and end the famine that was caused by his predecessor (Saul), David agrees to have two of Saul’s sons and five of his grandsons killed and hung up “unto the Lord” (Deut. 21:6-9).
  • God sends two bears to rip up 42 little children for making fun of Elisha’s bald head (2 Kings 2:23-24).
  • “So we boiled my son, and did eat him.” Women killed, boiled and ate their own children because of a plague that God sent, or as the Bible puts it: “Behold, this evil is of the Lord” (2 Kings 6:28-29, 33).
  • God allows Satan to kill Job’s children (Job1:20-22).
  • Beating your children with a rod is a sure sign of parental love (Prov. 13:24).
  • God tries to “correct” people by killing their children (Jer. 2:30).
  • God threatens to punish the men by taking away all of their property, including their wives, and giving them to others (Jer. 6:12).
  • God kills Ezekiel’s wife and then tells him not to mourn her (Ezek. 24:15-18).
  • God tells Hosea to commit adultery, saying “take … a wife of whoredoms and children of whoredoms” because the land has “committed great whoredom.” So Hosea did as God commanded and “took” a wife named Gomer (Hos. 1:2-3).
  • God tells Hosea to “love a woman beloved of her friend, yet an adulteress” (Hos. 3:1).
  • “And I will sell your sons and your daughters” (Joel 3:8).
  • “Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces” (Mal. 2:3).
  • Families will be torn apart because of Jesus. “Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death” (Matt. 10:21).
  • Jesus says that he has come to destroy families by making family members hate each other. He has “come not to send peace, but a sword” (Matt. 10:34-36).
  • Jesus warns us not to love our parents or children too much. Love him more than your family (Matt. 10:37).
  • When Jesus’ mother and brothers want to see him, Jesus asks, “Who is my mother? Who are my brothers?” (Matt. 12:47-49).
  • Abandon your wife and children for Jesus and he’ll give you a big reward (Matt. 19:29).
  • Jesus shows disrespect for his mother and family by asking, “Who is my mother, or my brethren?” when he is told that his family wants to speak with him (Mark 3:31-34).
  • Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children as required by Old Testament law (Mark 7:9-10).
  • Jesus will reward men who abandon their wives and families (Mark 10:29-30).
  • In the last days God will make things especially rough on pregnant women (Mark 13:17).
  • Jesus, when told that his mother and brothers want to see him, ignores and insults them by saying that his mother and brothers are those who hear the word of God and do it (Luke 8:20-21).
  • Jesus won’t even let his followers bury their dead parents or say farewell to their families before abandoning them (Luke 9:59-62).
  • Jesus prophesies that families will be divided because of him and his teachings (Luke 12:52-53).
  • Jesus says that his disciples must hate their families (mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, husbands, wives, children) and themselves (Luke 14:26).
  • If you want to be a disciple of Jesus, you must abandon everything, including your family (Luke 14:33).
  • Abandon your wife and family for Jesus and he’ll give you a big reward (Luke 18:29-30).
  • Jesus says that everyone in heaven is single (Luke 20:35).
  • “Ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks.”
Families and friendships will be torn apart because of Jesus (Luke 21:16).
  • Wives must submit to their husbands “in every thing” as though they were Christ. “For the husband is the head of the wife” (Eph. 5:22-24).
  • If God can find you, he will “thrust you through,” smash your children “to pieces” before your eyes, and rape your wife (Alma 23:15-18).
  • Alma refuses to ask God to prevent the burning to death of women and children. It is “the will of the Lord.” (Moroni 14:8-13).
  • “The husbands and fathers … feed the women upon the flesh of their husbands, and the children upon the flesh of their fathers” (Moroni 9:8).

…And there are many, many more.

The faithful may say, “This might be in the scriptures, but isn’t it wonderful that we have a prophet to guide us in these latter days?”

But really, do you need a prophet to tell you that the scriptures above are immoral, or to tell you the proper way to treat your family?

No, they might say. That’s why we have the Holy Ghost.

Okay, whatever. But if we have independent criteria for choosing our moral behavior, then why not cut out the middleman and go straight for the moral choice without the religion?

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  1. Hi Kevin,

    I read your piece. Here is something that you have read before: “For it must need be, that there is an opposition in all things. If not so, righteousness could not be brought to pass, neither wickedness, neither holiness nor misery, neither good nor bad. Wherefore, all things must needs be a compound in one; wherefore, if it should be one body it must needs remain as dead, having no life neither death, nor corruption nor incorruption, happiness nor misery, neither sense nor insensibility. Wherefore, it must needs have been created for a thing of naught; wherefore there would have been no purpose in the end of its creation. Wherefore, this thing must nneds destroy the wisdom of God and his eternal purposes, and also the power, and the mercy, and the justice of God. And if ye shall say there is no law, ye shall also say there is no sin. If ye shall say there is no sin, ye shall also say there is no righteousness. And if there be no righteousness there be no happiness. And if these things are not there is no God. And if there is no God we are not, neither the earth; for there could have been no creation of things, neither to act nor to be acted upon; where fore, all things must have vanished away. But there is a God, and he hath created all things, both the heavens and the earth, and all things there in them are, both things to act and things to be acted upon.” (Nelson)

    • Carrie permalink

      In response to Nelson: Even in societies that hadn’t been touched by Western religion, murder and theft were taboo. It is an inate trait of the human species to try and protect one another. Those people hadn’t received the “law” of God, but were following a moral code that evolution has produced. (Even monkeys have complex immediate and extended families and help each other out) They were being righteous/moral without the law. Did they experience some happiness? I’m sure they did. Therefore righteousness AND happiness can exist without the law. The Earth still exists where the law doesn’t Therefore God doesn’t have to exist.

  2. Jonathan permalink

    Whoa! This list of scriptural family foibles is filled with a multitude of errors. Since I don’t have nearly enough time to address it all, I would simply refer to my comments on the “Gentle Christ” post. The only correction I will make here is to point out that Alma 23:15-18 is actually 2 Nephi 23:15-18, and on top of that, a quote from Isaiah. Gosh, even that should be understood differently, not as God advocating something, but I really don’t feel like being an apologist for every single verse of scripture, so I encourage any readers to really think this one through instead of assuming that is what was meant. If one wishes to interpret verses in a particular light, even when obviously not the way it was intended, there is little that I or anyone could do to convince him or her otherwise. Again, this list looks suspiciously like it was taken from a website, not the product of independent research. Just a suggestion to my friend that you independently verify, then ponder on what was likely intended, rather than providing a skewed interpretation for those not willing to do their own research.

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